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Post by Kanegasi on Sept 11, 2006 15:47:22 GMT -6
Seriously...I'm tired about hearing about it, seeing it on the news and then having to watch documentaries in every one of my Social Studie classes for the last 5 years. God, I know people died, but can we give it a rest for a bit?? If I have a kid and he comes up to me and says, "Mommy! We learned about 9/11 today!" I'm going to say, "Shut up! I don't want to be depressed!" *vents and fumes* @.@;; Too much angst... I apologize in advance, but I feel very offended about this statement of yours. If you're tired of honoring those fallen over and over again, then you can just march your ass right out of this damn country. Yes, a lot of people have decided to publicize this over and over again, but think about the people who lost family or friends in there. How many times would you think about and honor the fallen if your parents were in that plane or siblings/boyfriend/BF/etc. was killed? I know a Corpseman (pronounced kor-men) in Medical Department on my ship who lost all of his friends who were in the second plane on a group trip. You can be annoyed all you want about the constant media attention, but keep that crap to yourself. If I was still admin on this forum, I would've not bothered with this reprimand and deleted this post immediately. Again, I apologize about my post, but being military, I've come to realize how much that event impacted our country. Never post anything like this again. Thank you.
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Post by Kusanagi on Sept 11, 2006 18:02:17 GMT -6
Raika has an excellent point, but let me add something. The constant media attention is not just for those that lost loved ones. Our country and way of life was attacked on that day, and we should not forget the day that America changed.
Now, I understand if news organizations are being annoying about this (i.e. FOX News' correspondents will not shut up even when they have a honor band playing), but to say that this day itself is annoying is saying that you hate this country and reject its morals and values.
I'm gonna keep this open if you want to make a reply, Kurai, otherwise I'm gonna lock this thread. Again, I hope you understand why people are making a big deal about this.
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Post by Kurai on Sept 13, 2006 18:12:24 GMT -6
I do understand why this upset people and I'm sorry...In my mind I still think I have a right to express an opinion and although, I still think that 9/11 isn't exactly one of my "favorite" days I do honor the people who died that day. And yes, you can either delete this thread or lock it. I don't care...I have no clue what I was thinking posting that...*sighs* I'm an idiot.
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Post by Katsumi on Sept 13, 2006 18:37:23 GMT -6
Note to self: Never complain about something on a forum... Btw, I do understand why this upset people and I'm sorry. Although, I still think that 9/11 isn't exactly one of my "favorite" days... ==;;? Really you do need to learn to keep things like this to yourself srry, but 9/11 was a day people of this country were attacked because a stupid group of people hated the religious and lifestyle ways of Americans. We all may say, "America is full of stupid pig-heads, " erm true, but that's cause our rights spoil us lol. Anyway the entire patriots day thing a bit cheesy I'm sure*coughmillardsouthcough* but well, at least I believe, it's America’s way of showing it's not going to be shot down and is going to embrace what they hate. The holiday aspect of it all is much like Memorial Day to commemorate and remember what happened and how it affected so many people afterwards. I respect this day enough at least to remember the horror that happened and be grateful I’m not living in a place that gives me 0 rights. Srry we’re all shooting your opinion down but seriously this is not the sort of thing to be posting about. P.S. no one's fav day is 9-11 that would just be sadistic!
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Post by HeromanX on Sept 13, 2006 20:49:56 GMT -6
In before LoQ. To see both points: yes, 9/11 is a day to be honored and cherished just like Memorial Day or Veterans' Day in that we honor those fallen not just for our country, but as innocent victims of both terrorism and an ideal that aims to destroy much of the world. It's a day for us to recall what life was like back then...and for us to remember not to take each day for granted, as everything can literally change in the blink of an eye. Perhaps for one...perhaps for many. Perhaps, even, for all. Though, it can be quite frustrating to actually go through with and such, since you hear about terrorism day in, day out...week by week...all throughout the year. And though it's not literally EVERY day that you hear references to the day in question in news reports, it's definitely mentioned once in a while, and some of us WILL get tired of hearing about it. Once or twice a year is fine. We understand and cherish the lives lost, the meaning of the day, etc. But like others, we MUST move on. We can't just live on the day, we can't hover around the fact that we got nailed by a group of terrorists. We understand that we have to take a moment or two out of our lives in a year to honor them just like we honor the fallen veterans of WWI, WWII, the Korean Conflict, the Gulf War, etc. But we are the survivors. And we make the world turn. We must press on, for that is what they would wish of us. Sure, some of us are aggrivated and annoyed by the constant attention it receives. I know I am, not because I didn't lose anyone in there, but because 1) I couldn't do jack shit about it and 2) it's just so damn recent that it doesn't make sense to me. One should make sense to you guys because of my somewhat compassionate nature. I want to help people, so since I couldn't help those people out, I'm obviously pissed at the fact I couldn't do crap about it. I don't blame myself, I can't blame anyone for that fact. But for fact number two, I can certainly point to the fact that in the higher grade levels (mostly 7th on up now), they don't need to really point out "how it affected my life" or "what I learned from 9/11". Everyone should know by now, at least in their grades, that much. And everyone at that level should know wtf happened. No more please. Below those levels, I can see maybe bringing it up in a few lessons since it's been five years. Most of them would've been really young at the time - 1st grade or younger. Barely able to comprehend what was going on. Though I'd suggest probably keeping it around the 5th and 6th grade levels because of the subject material. It may be way too out there for some students younger for that, or may be too graphic for them (according to their parents). My opinion, at least. I just think that it was way too early the first few years to put it into history classes. >_< Aside from that, although I don't find the day itself repulsive or annoying in any manner, I am beginning to find this country pretty repulsive. Not saying any other country is better politically, economically, etc., but with all the strings that seem to come attached with the freedoms and liberties here...I'm pretty skeptical about "The Land of the Free". :/ Personal opinion going there, and I find most individuals to be just fine so long as they don't go into the "mob mentality" of the nation. v_v" There's more to my opinion than JUST that, but I just don't want to go further because I don't want to truly offend anyone or piss anyone off so much that I get banned, crucified, and burned at the stake for being un-American. :/ That's not my intention, I just see things as I see them, hold my opinions so, and respect others' opinions as they are. Probably should've posted all this in MySpace blogs, but hey, we should all be open with each other. That's what NON's supposed to be about. If you take offense with my statement, fine. I apologize full-front, but know that I will respect your opinions as they are as I should expect mine to be too. And FTR, I would expect Kurai's opinion to be fully respected as well, and the topic to be left open for others to post theirs should they hold any. Just know that what's said is said out of honesty and trust, sometimes out of emotional displacement and frustration, but that we're not out to offend anyone, just to be heard. Right? :/
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Post by Kanegasi on Sept 13, 2006 20:57:23 GMT -6
In before mega zoom (<3 4chan)
Anyways, to be serious, Kurai, you're not an idiot. You just wanted to express an opinion that was touchy to everyone else. I accept your apology but be careful next time.
Also, I will give you punishment. You must read and re-read StarBlaze's post 10 times without blinking. Do it. NOW.
Pic unrelated.
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Post by Rakshasa on Sept 16, 2006 12:40:12 GMT -6
Okay, I'm gonna think of the best way to put this. Sorry if I dig up controversy, but I just have to say something.
I can honestly see why Kurai would be a little annoyed at all of this. If you think about it, the original meaning for "honoring the dead" is kind of lost if you consider recent history.
-The media, more or less, is going to trumpet the day left, right, and center because the wounds are still fresh in many people, and because as the numerous "NYFD" shirts and other sleazy items such as the 9/11 commemorative coin proves, 9/11 = money. And the media, in the end, is just in it for the money. -The president, instead of honoring the dead, used the 5-year anniversary to give a political speech to try to get people to fall in line with his policies. -People for the most part remember the images of our buildings exploding or look at the political impact as opposed to actually thinking about those that died. Not everyone feels the same way, for example Joe has a personal connection to what happened so I imagine he feels differently about it. -Yes, everything changed. But terrorists aren't really a major threat to our nation, and we've been in and have persevered through much worse situations. One of the things that a lot of people are forgetting is that we came close to a nuclear winter in the early 1960s, and if it wasn't for our diplomats finally convincing Cuba to stop housing Soviet nukes, we would have been in a far worse situation than 9/11. We don't really commemorate that time. If anything, it gets more of an "Oh yeah, I remember hearing about that" response from people.
The whole response I got from all of the hoopla surrounding the "5-year anniversary" was more of one of disgust. It'd be different if it was honestly about the dead.
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Post by Zev on Sept 18, 2006 20:39:19 GMT -6
um Zev has an opinion but hates to be political and generally just stays the fuck out of things as she will do now..................*walks away* I just don't feel like getting in it sorry guys if u really want my opinion ask me for it in person.
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Post by Freedan on Sept 24, 2006 17:16:10 GMT -6
alright, i'm lazy and didn't bother reading so i'm just going to put in my 2 cents worth and you people can yell at me for it. I think that it is improtant that we honor those whom have fallen for our country, but at the same time, dwelling over one of many other attacks on America and many other targets is starting to get annoying. yes it was the first attack that actually caused alot of damage, but there still should have been defense against this...first off the terrorists made it on the planes with clearly fake pass ports and visas, 4-inch knives, mace and so on (it's amazing what you learn in History class). They also learned how to fly within American boarders, and could only speak enough english to say things to the extent of "i want to learn how to fly a plane". I do think it's important to honor past attacks, but only ones that we acted properly for instead of just sitting on our thumbs and spinning. and the war has almost completly died down now anyways, assuming you want to call it a war, but i won't go into that. so to sum it all up so you guys can yell at me faster, i think it's great we honor those who have fallen, but i think it's a stupid event in which some of them have fallen.
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